ACC Football Daily Links — Is Realignment Truly “Dead,” Or is the Big Ten & ACC’s Battle for the Northeast Just Beginning?

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Thursday, May 23, 2013

The ACC’s Battle in the Northeast (Southern Pigskin)

It is a given that because of the power of SEC football, the ACC, once it became clear that the future of major conferences was to have divisional play, had to move up the east coast into the northeast. Many SEC fans innately scoff at any such move. The northeast is the region with easily the lowest per capita number of college sports fans, and the region cares more for college basketball than college football…

Maryland vs. the ACC (ESPN’s ACC Blog)

At 1:30 p.m. ET on Thursday, there will be a hearing in Upper Marlboro, Md., that should provide more information about the ongoing legal dispute between Maryland and the ACC. Maryland intends to leave the ACC and play in the Big Ten in 2014, but the ACC intends to get every penny of the league’s $52 million exit fee from the Terps…

ACC Football to Continue FCS Games; Which Schools Make the Most Scheduling Sense for Boston College? (BC Interruption)

While the Big Ten has mandated that member schools will no longer play FCS schools in an effort to boost strength of schedule, there will be no such mandate in the ACC. Coaches and athletic directors said during last week’s spring meetings that they have no issue playing one FCS game a season. Georgia Tech’s new A.D. Mike Bobinski said discussions about eliminating the annual FCS game went basically nowhere…

College Football 2013 Preseason Top 25: #6 Clemson Tigers (Athlon Sports)

Offense: Tajh Boyd’s decision to return for his senior season was a huge recruiting coup for Clemson coach Dabo Swinney. Boyd took a major step forward as a junior, emerging as one of the nation’s top quarterbacks. He earned ACC Player of the Year honors and was also named first-team All-America by the American Football Coaches Association…

Pitt Cashing In on Labor Day Visit From FSU (Tallahassee Democrat)

With less-than-enthralling home schedules in 2012 and 2013, Florida State officials have had to be resourceful when it comes to filling seats at Doak Campbell Stadium.They have created an in-house telemarketing center, offered discounts for multi-game purchases, hosted numerous youth groups, and this fall will bring back former head coach Bobby Bowden for appearances at two separate games…

Hard Lessons Prepare Edwards for ’13 (‘NoleNation)

When the 2012 season ended, Mario Edwards Jr. was exactly where he’d expected to be, starting in the Orange Bowl with an eye toward the future, where he’d be anchoring Florida State’s defensive line. The path to get there though, never went quite according to plan. “It was a bit of a roller coaster,” Edwards said. His first season at FSU hardly followed the script Edwards had envisioned when he left high school as the nation’s No. 1 recruit…

Adam Choice: Clemson Beats Out Georgia Tech and Auburn for 4-Star RB (Atlanta Journal-Constitution)

Clemson is off to a hot start with recruiting the state of Georgia for 2014. The ACC school added another one of the state’s elite skill players when running back Adam Choice committed to Clemson over Georgia Tech and Auburn, while also considering Texas and Stanford. The 5-foot-9, 200-pounder from Thomas County Central High School hails from one of the state’s most famous football families…

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25 thoughts on “ACC Football Daily Links — Is Realignment Truly “Dead,” Or is the Big Ten & ACC’s Battle for the Northeast Just Beginning?

  1. Wow, that Southern Pigskin article must have been stalking me since he pretty much hit the two main points I have been talking about on the various blogs I visit. That is the following:

    1) To lure ND into full ACC membership, we add Navy. It makes sense on so many levels. They are the longest rival of ND, they hold a special place in ND lore thanks to the assistance they gave to ND during WWII.

    2) The ACC needs to create and ACC equivalent to the B1G’s CIC monstrosity. While the ACCIAC is nice, I say we add John Hopkins as a associate member for Lacrosse, and also as a member of the ARC (ACC Research Council). Also, doesn’t ARC sound more PR friendly than ACCIAC?

    Seriously though, the next item Swofford needs to press in conjunction with the items #1 and #2 is acquiring capital to buyback out T3 rights to form the ACC Network,

    • Also, once Swofford announced the addition of Notre Dame as an associate member, the additions of Syracuse and Pitt made so much more sense to me. BTW, I also viewed Delaney’s grab of RU and UMD as a way to weaken the ACC and try to get ND. It failed.

      • Agree that Delany’s plan failed, but that’s only due to the grant of rights. If not for that, it’s obviously a different discussion. He made the best move for his conference given the circumstances at that time, and it would’ve paid off if not for Swofford’s typical stealth moves to solidify the conference.

        As far as Navy, I can’t say I’m a fan of bringing them aboard at this time. The last thing the ACC needs is another school with a 7-5 ceiling, and honestly, even bringing the Midshipmen into the fold will not convince Notre Dame to join full-time. Their status as an independent has never been stronger, in part because of the deal the ACC cut them. So as it stands, they’ll be independent for as long as they’d like to be.

        What I do agree with you on is the ACC consortium. To me, it’s a necessity that starts up ASAP, regardless of how effective it actually ends up being. The B1G’s, in my opinion, is largely there for show — to tell everyone they’re all about academics. I’d assume that if Hopkins were to join for lacrosse, it would be a prerequisite that an academic consortium be formed. I’m fine with it, as it gives the league another card to play in terms of proving its strength (never a bad thing).

  2. I’m still of the opinion that Notre Dame becoming a full member of the ACC actually devalues Notre Dame (and by extension the ACC). The best value for the conference and Notre Dame is to fold Notre Dame’s television rights into the ACC contract while keeping their independent schedule. Notre Dame’s “us against the world” mentality to scheduling and conference membership is a large part of what makes them so infuriating to opponents and such a big draw with both their own fans and opposing fans. Notre Dame fans tune in to watch their team justify their special place in college football and opposing fans tune in to watch Notre Dame get knocked down a peg. As the saying goes, “Either way, you’re watching.”. Becoming a full member of a conference sacrifices that value.

    • Smart perspective there. It is true. Notre Dame’s a national brand, and as such, create a nationally-compelling schedule. Will people still watch Notre Dame football if eight games per year are against Wake, Duke, Syracuse and Virginia? Initially, sure, but being part of a conference turns them into a small catholic school in the Midwest (which is what they’d be without the schedule they’ve compiled for so long).

    • I agree with John that your observation is smart and also another way of looking at the value ND brings to the table. But I would contend that with Navy as a permanent cross divisional foe, ND would still have 4 OOC games that they can schedule with Stanford, USC, Perdue, and X. X can be Texas, Michigan State, Alabama, etc. Also, by bringing ND as a full time member, it would make adding John Hopkins as an associate member more palatable to the ACC members since we would still have only 1 associate member at the time. Also think about this, sooner or later, the fact that ND will bump a traditional ACC school from its intended bowl to a lesser bowl will wear thin on ACC members. It is only a matter of time.

      Also John, it was a surprise to me, but the ACC already has a consortium called the ACCIAC. Here is the link ( Adding John Hopkins would give it more credibility. Also the ACC needs to advertise this aspect of the conference more since I was not even aware of its existence until now.

      • Same here. Don’t really understand why they don’t publicize it, especially when the B1G uses it as some sort of badge of honor to hold over other leagues.

        It’s funny, the B1G CIC is the main point of emphasis for those believing Hopkins is headed there for lacrosse, and yet, it’s nullified here. Just goes to show how lazy much of the media can be, and how we all end up duped (myself included) into thinking non-truths.

        I don’t agree with the Notre Dame assessment, though. While it’s great for tradition, I don’t think ND gets a huge national bump for playing Navy — and again, that alone will not drive them to join the ACC full-time. No one wants to create a gauntlet of a schedule with a full conference slate plus USC, Michigan, et al. A potential nine-game conference schedule also isn’t too palatable for ND (and others), because they’d prefer not to be forced into just six home games in some seasons (likely in the years they’d have five conference road dates).

        • @ John,

          Without adding ND as a full time member, then we can forget getting John Hopkins as an associate member. Heck, I wouldn’t want that to happen as much as I want Hopkins in the ACC. Why you ask? Because the ACC would run the risk of turning itself into the Big East. It would be unwieldy and all the traditionalist within the ACC would harp on the inclusion of yet another associate member. Oh well. It would have been nice.

          Consider this with regards to ND. I watch VT football because I went to VT and it is my alma mater. I met my wife there and I love it and her so very much. Every time I watch VT football, it reminds of all the fun I had in Grad school and puts a big grin on my face. I imagine it is the same for a lot of ND alumni as well, so even if ND were to join the ACC full time, I believe their alumni would still tune in to the games.

          I love this blog.

        • @ jae1837

          It’s not really about the alumni with Notre Dame. It’s about the opposing fans. People don’t pack the stadium when Notre Dame comes to town because they bring a huge traveling alumni or student base. Their enrollment is smaller than Duke’s. Think of how many Duke fans show up to Wallace Wade, much less away games. It’s hard for the small private schools to keep up with the big public schools. They need something to set them apart besides sheer numbers. Duke basketball has their overwhelming success, Miami had “The U” and all the attitude and culture that went with it and Notre Dame has their “Us vs. the World” outsider position. The small private schools can’t count on just alumni and students to fill the stadiums and pad the TV ratings when the public schools are putting out two and three times the number of alumni a year. They need a hook to draw in casual fans and Notre Dame loses their hook if they join a conference full time.

        • @jae1837: I don’t think an associate member in lacrosse (with no other D-1 sports) is the same thing as Notre Dame’s arrangement by any means. Yes, seems like it’s a dicey scenario, but definitely doesn’t look like what the Big East did in its most unwieldy state.

          I also think the value of Notre Dame is not in its alumni base at all (though don’t get me wrong, they are important). It’s that they’re arguably the only school that can carry millions of non-alumni, non-local fans around the country. My dad’s a Notre Dame fan in New York — he didn’t graduate from ND, and has never been on campus. My fiancee’s aunt and her entire family (in SoCal) are ND fans — none have ever been on campus either. Point is, people’s affinity for the Fighting Irish is not ike other programs. It’s not based on going there or not, which is why they’re the only school that can demand what they do in television rights.

          And I’m glad you love the blog! Always great to have active conversation here in the comments. Keep them coming!

  3. Notre Dame is not joining the ACC. The conference will not target Navy and Georgetown will not leave a conference they are founding to join the ACC.

    The current arrangement is how the ACC will look through at least the end of the GOR. Likely longer.

    • All of this. Now that the grant of rights is in place, I feel like everyone’s grasping at straws to still mention the words “Big Ten,” “ACC” and “realignment” in the same post. For some reason, this brings them to an assumption that Notre Dame’s joining the ACC. Obviously they’re not, as nearly every comment above explains away. No draw for them whatsoever.

    • Um, my apologies for offending you with regards to ND, but I never once mentioned Georgetown. Now if you are referring to the Pigskin article, then yes I do not believe the ACC should add another “associate” member to the conference. As I stated above, my idea for inviting JH into the conference hinges on ND deciding to join the conference full time. If ND decides to stay as an associate member, then obviously I would be against adding JH. Perhaps the ACC could approach JH to be a member of their ACCIAC such as University of Chicago is a member of the B1G CIC without being a member of the conference.

    • I don’t know why everyone assumes Hopkins joins the B1G for lacrosse, just because of Maryland and the CIC. As mentioned above, the ACC has a CIC, and Hopkins can still play Maryland in OOC play, while also facing off with the most powerful teams in the country in the ACC’s membership. JHU’s always prided itself on playing an incredibly challenging schedule, so why would they pick anywhere but the ACC?

      • Hmm, not to keep beating a dead horse, but if your logic for why JHU should join the ACC John, then why should ND be concerned about playing a tough schedule since part of the mystique of ND is that they play a tough schedule. Now don’t get me wrong, I don’t believe ND will join the ACC anytime soon. I’m just pointing out a flaw in your logic that we had earlier on this blog post concerning ND.

        • Because the ACC lacrosse conference is the country’s best by any measure. With the current alignment (minus Maryland), you can easily end up with five of the top 10 teams in the country. Plus historically, Syracuse and UVa are two of the top three names (with JHU being the third). The ACC football conference doesn’t give you that type of lineup, so can’t imply the same benefits for ND and football.

        • Okay. I reread you’re original post concerning ND and their desire to create the toughest football schedule, and I guess I just misread it. Since we are both saying the same thing w/ regards to ND’s wish to play the toughest schedule, I am now going to stop talking about this subject for a day or two. Good night all.

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