ACC Football Daily Links — Could the End of Amateurism Mean the End of Athletics at Wake Forest?

Wake Forest Football Ending NCAA ACC Basketball Amateurism Playoffs Money System Bowls

Monday through Friday each week, we compile the best links on ACC football from around the web.

Friday, March 15, 2013

NCAA Legal Filing Reveals Fears of College Officials (USA Today)

Lawyers for the NCAA wrote in a federal-court filing Thursday that if the association’s current amateurism rules were lifted, as proposed in a lawsuit pertaining to the use of college athletes’ names, likeness and images, some schools might exit Division I or Bowl Subdivision football because of the financial and legal burden that would result from needing to share revenue with football and men’s basketball players…

Georgia Tech’s Paul Johnson on “Negative Recruiting” (Atlanta Journal-Constitution)

Like every other college coach, Georgia Tech’s Paul Johnson has to deal with forms of “negative recruiting.” Negative recruiting is the dark side of the business. When colleges compete against each other for recruits, they have been known to say negative things about the competition to gain an advantage. Some of the most popular things used against Georgia Tech on the recruiting trail are…

Pitt Looking for Consistency From Shell (ESPN’s ACC Blog)

Based solely on potential, Pitt running back Rushel Shell should be one of the top rushers in his new league in 2013. But a little more goes into being among the best at your position. What coach Paul Chryst wants to see out of his talented back this spring is consistency. That is something that Shell was missing last season as the true freshman played behind incumbent Ray Graham…

Florida State Football Spring Preview 2013: Defensive End (Tomahawk Nation)

FSU spring practice kicks off March 20 and our Florida State football spring 2013 preview continues with a look at the defensive end position, which returns very little from an excellent 2012 season. A new group of players and a new coaching staff, including position coach Sal Sunseri, means a fresh start for this position. Almost every player at this position has good upside and accompanying questions…

Oklahoma QB Transfer Drew Allen Will Visit Syracuse (Troy Nunes Is An Absolute Magician)

Syracuse picked up a quarterback from the state of Tennessee yesterday and now comes news that another one from Oklahoma is possibly interested. Not just the state of Oklahoma, mind you, the University version. So who the hell is this guy and how the heck did we get involved? Allen has basically been the odd-man out during his time with the Oklahoma Sooners…

Travis Blanks Says Tigers’ Technique Has Improved By “Leaps and Bounds” Under Mike Reed (Orange and White)

For the players in Clemson’s secondary, small numbers mean a big opportunity for improvement. So far, the Tigers are taking full advantage of their time with new position coach Mike Reed, according to rising sophomore safety Travis Blanks. “Our technique has improved by leaps and bounds just in the short time he’s been here,” said Blanks…

Bowden Impressed By Former Player’s Effort on “Biggest Loser” (Tallahassee Democrat)

Bobby Bowden is pulling for Joe Ostaszewski, too. The former Florida State coach believes Ostaszewski and twin brother Henry are setting a good example for the public and former Seminole players who are dealing with weight issues. Joe Ostaszewski, 43, is a contestant on the NBC television reality show, “The Biggest Loser”…

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10 thoughts on “ACC Football Daily Links — Could the End of Amateurism Mean the End of Athletics at Wake Forest?

    • I don’t necessarily see it that way. Admittedly, Wake’s not a power by any means, but what’s the guarantee Cincinnati or UConn stay relevant? Especially in football, where UConn’s Northeast disadvantage could potentially turn them into another Wake Forest. The Bearcats’ best period of football success has been their time in the Big East… and not much else. If we need to add, they’re my first call, but don’t necessarily think they (or UConn) are that steep of an upgrade from Wake Forest at all.

  1. True, but the combo of Syracuse & UConn would lock up Hartford and NYC for the ACC (and marginalize the B1G in the northeast). Strictly a thought on picking up a TV market (i.e. we don’t need 4 teams in NC) that will never come to fruition.

    • Smart from a market-centric standpoint, but at the same time, what matters more for the ACC right now is perception — which is why Louisville was the pick over UConn. In reality, Louisville is just as much a basketball school as UConn is, but since the current perception says “football school” and the ACC’s “football schools” wanted to see an emphasis on that sport, the Cardinals were the choice.

  2. I don’t read that article as argument for conferences to drop members. It reads that the NCAA and certain member schools, including Texas (not just Wake Forest), think paying athletes in two male sports would violate Title IX and be too expensive for the schools, and, thus, would cause many programs to drop out of Division I. Advocating trading Wake for UCONN or any other school just misses the point of the article.

    By the way, Wake started playing football and basketball prior to 3 years ago. Now I will not argue that it has any special football tradition, but they did win the ACC as recently as 2006 in football, and their basketball team was ranked #1 in 2009. While there is evidence in the form of historical performance that Wake will not have a consistently good football team. That same type of analysis would suggest that the basketball team will be competitive again soon.

    • I read the article more as a warning that increased costs (like paying players) could make it much harder for smaller private schools to compete against larger state schools. Since Wake was specifically mentioned, I went with them in the headline, but I think you could easily plug in Syracuse, Boston College, Rice, Tulane or others as well.

      Totally agree with you that I believe Wake can swing back up. No one stays down (or dominant) forever. College sports being so cyclical is what makes it interesting every year.

      • The reason I referenced Texas was that the article indicated that the Texas AD and women’s AD had provided statements as part of whatever the NCAA filed indicating that Texas too was against pay-for-play. I thought it was worth noting that it is not simply a bunch of private schools opposing the issue. Schools don’t get much bigger than Texas.

  3. The obvious solution to the amateurism and Title IX issues (as well as eligibility and academic issues) is to turn college football and basketball into what they really are: minor league sports. Take the “student” athletes out of the classroom and treat them as employees of the university. The universities could then use their new minor league sports teams as a fundraising arm. The profits could be put back into the academic side of the university. The way I figure it, the market value contract of an average minor league football or basketball player wouldn’t be a lot more than the value of a scholarship and without the overhead costs of policing and maintaining academic eligibility and amateur status, most programs would actually be bringing in more money than they are now.

    • Taking them out of the classroom seems like a bit of an extreme stretch, though, no? I haven’t seen that proposal anywhere, mostly because it eliminates collegiate athletics. Totally get why it makes sense — spending the money you’d have spent on scholarships on salaries — but I don’t see anyone going for it. The current debate’s all about paying athletes on top of scholarships, which is why the argument brings up smaller schools’ abilities to pay players.

      • Short of repealing Title IX, it’s going to have to happen at some point. You have two dueling forces that literally can’t coexist. Right now male athletes are earning a lot of money for BCS conference schools, but they’re not allowed to see any of that money. As long as they’re students paying sports under the NCAA and on university dime, they’re subject to Title IX. In order to comply, you either have to withhold the money the male athletes in football and basketball are earning and distribute it to non-revenue sports or you can distribute more of it to the male football and basketball players and cut more non-revenue male sports to comply. Neither situation is fair to any of the participants. By removing football and men’s basketball from the equation, you’ve made everything more fair. Non-revenue men’s sports are no longer weighed down by the enormous Title IX costs of football and participants in football and men’s basketball are no longer prohibited from earning money off their likeness and athletic achievement. Plus, it’s not as if they would be barred from ever attending college. Minor league baseball players attend college all the time. They’d just be taking a different path to college if they choose to attend.

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